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, ross. the shanghai composite lost more ground in late trade after a four-day winning streak. agriculture, industrials and commodities puddle back after investors lost profits. but some rebounded after producers refuted contamination allegations with inspection reports. in hong kong, financials lent support to the hang seng, closing around a 15-month high. elsewhere, the nikkei ended lower by just a tad as exporters weakness. short sales rallied almost 7% after getting an additional $240 million loan. meanwhile, south korean shares were boosted by ship exporters. in australia, miners and bankers led support to the asx ending higher largely by 4%. back to you. >> all right. thanks for that. catch you a little later. >>> now, berlusconi and bersani are already exchanging blows after what's considered to be a controversial moment in italy. berlusconi has announced he's creating a new center right grouping. meanwhile, mario monti has been accused oversimplifying solutions during the fiscal crisis. carolin is joining us now from rome. do we expect more of this rhetoric today? >> o
>>> hello. welcome to today's "worldwide exchange." i'm ross westgate. and i'm kelly evans. >> japan's prime minister wastes no time on calling on the bank of japan to recognize support after a land slide win returning the dlp to power. >>> get a little, give a little, house speaker john boehner may be willing to raise taxes on the wealthy if president obama allows entitlement cuts in return. >>> and corporate news weighs on sentiment across europe. kpn shares fall after dividend and greco stocks plunges as analysts cut their outlook for the uk power group. >> okay. welcome. it's the start of a brand new week here on "worldwide exchange." and don't adjust your set, kelly and i are together. >> for once, for a day. >> but make the most of it because it won't be lasting. >> if only there were a slo-mo. >> i'm going to enjoy as much as i can of today. >> and likewise. and then we're going to have to get all of our u.s. voouers to find cnbc world because they could get three hours of you, carol and carolin for the rest of the week. >> whatever they can do. record it and fast fo
from wall street today, my good friend, cnbc's ross westgate. happy holidays, sir. >> hey, brian. happy holidays. good to see you before christmas, brian. yeah, we closed high yesterday, but with the events that you've talked about, republicans in the end not holding that vote because john boehner couldn't muster enough votes to raise taxes on people earning over $1 million. futures took a bit of a dive. and right now, we're calling markets down here, the s&p down twre 20 points. there's concern now that boehner can't secure enough votes in the republicans to support whatever plan may come from the other side of the aisle. and there's been a lot of complacency going in for investors. they will eventually get a deal done. european markets are now down at the session lows. off about a percent for the ftse. similar for the german market and in paris as well. so eyes for these periods now around christmas squarely on washington as you might see. not much christmas cheer for research in motion either. this was a stock that was up towards after they came out with numbers better than expected.
kernen. andrew ross sorkin is off this week, he's on vacation. our guest, greg. >> great to be here. >> you're very pleased that you're with us here for an hour because we do have a lot to talk about. >> has a lot of experience. >> yes, he does. >> we've got a lot of stories that we'll be talking through this morning, but let's start with that big story that joe was just talking about. president obama speaking to the business round table today, attending to the group's quarterly meeting of ceos. jim mcnerny says including meaningful and comprehensive tax and entitlement reforms. this is the number one story that we've been talking about every morning here since the election. fiscal cliff, big, big issue. there are now, it seems, growing numbers of people on both the right and the left who would like to see us just go over that fiscal cliff. how big of a problem would that be? >> that would be a big problem. i actually still believe that those -- the democrats, the administration, republicans in the final analysis don't want to see that happen. they do understand that not only would
. >>> this is today's "worldwide exchange." i'm ross westgate. here are your headlines. chinese factories pick up the pace in november, both hsbc and the official pmi readings hit multimonth highs, both in expansion territory. it's another month of contraction for manufacturing in the eurozone. the region still in the grip of the crisis. white house and congress may need to call the auto club to jump-start budget talks which have stalled on discussions over taxes. and singapore airlines confirms it's in talks to sell its stake in virgin atlantic. delta is amongst the frontrunners. comes around quickly. december, we're already here. not long before christmas and we have the november final pmis out of the eurozone confirmed at 46.2. that was the flash, 45.4 was october. so slightly higher. the highest since march. but 46 still deep in contraction territory. output numbers, 46.1. so that's going in the right direction. and the final manufacturing pmi export orders 46.4. again, a tick higher than the 45.9 flash, the highest since march. so the contraction activity easing to an eight
>>> hello and welcome to "worldwide exchange." ross westgate is away. i'm kelly evans. japan's central bank boosts assets by another $120 billion. boj says it will discuss raising its inflation target next month. tech stocks fall in europe after ericsson unveils a swedish crown writout related to its loss chip venture. >>> reports say the intercontinental call is in talks to buy euro next. >>> and vows to continue the current government's battle against japanese territorial claims. >>> japan's central bank has decided to extend its asset purchase program to $120 billion. it will review the bank's stance on price stability next month. abe has been putting pressure on the boj to raise its inflation target to 2% as part of efforts to fight deflation. for more on the fallout or the impact here, let's talk to luca from asia pacific. you look like you're in mourning here, but it sounds like the bank of japan has delivered pretty much what the market was looking for the. >> yes. it was delivered in order to be seen as losing independence after the campaign, very aggressive campaign
and welcome to "squawk box" here on cnbc. i'm andrew ross sorkin along with joe kernen. becky continues to have the day off today. our guest host today is bob broska. house speaker john boehner urging the senate to come up with a passable fiscal cliff solution. he's promising to at least consider any bill that the upper chamber produces. senate majority leader harry reid now expected to base any legislation on a bill passed earlier this year to continue tax breaks for households will incomes below $250,000. a senate bill would likely contain an extension of expiring unemployment benefits. and the other big news of the morning, treasury secretary tim geithner unveiling a plan to buy time under the debt ceiling. in a letter to congress, geithner saying that treasury is going to begin taking steps this week to delay hitting the government's 16$16.4 trillion borrowing limit. treasury will take several measures to save that next year to keep the government from reaching the limit for about two months. but geithner warns it is harder to predict how long the delay will last because of all of t
: "you have no legal rights." >> and then there's ross hopkins. he worked for an anheuser-busch budweiser distributor in colorado. >> i went out on a date with my girlfriend, and we went to a country bar. and the waitress had delivered a coors by mistake. and, you know, i just told her, "well, you know, i'll take it." but then he ran into the boss' son in law, who offered to buy him a bud. he says he declined, and the next day at work... >> at the end of the day, they had pulled me in and told me that they were letting me go for drinking that coors, you know? and they told me to leave. >> what was your reaction? >> i was very surprised. very surprised. >> he sued the budweiser distributor for wrongful termination. both parties refuse to discuss the final resolution. >> just between us, ross, what do you prefer, coors or bud? >> i use to really like anheuser-busch, but... you know, this just tastes better and better and better. [dance music playing] >> most companies don't care what beer you drink. it's how much you drink or smoke or eat. james ramsey, the president of the university of lo
on the fiscal cliff. >> time for the global markets report. ross westgate standing by london. and then i say kelly. is that -- >> it's me. i'm here. we're flip-flopping kelly and i. >> we were ready no anything there. i introduced you, but then i tossed to kelly. so that's the way we'll keep it from now on. >> consummate professional. hedging your options. advancers barely outpacing decliners. very slim gains on the equity markets. but it is worth pointing out ft ftse 100 up nine out of the last ten sessions. ftse flat now. xetra dax up a quarter. cac 40 up around two thirds. ibex up half of 1% as well. spain have officially applied for bailout money. it is keeping yields well contained at the moment. 5.25%. a long way below that 6% level. italian yields also very well contained. lower today 4.41%. and the betting now is can spain keep from having to go for an official omt bailout to beyond the german elections which is scheduled september to october next year. so that's the game we play despite they have will have i issuance in 2013. gilt yields, chancellor statement coming out tomorrow. co
" here on cnbc. i'm andrew ross sorkin along with joe kernen. becky quick is out today. our guest host this hour, rebecca patterson and peter. check out today's lineup. it is a biggie. we have an exclusive interview with dallas fed pet jrichard fibber. and the interview of the morning you do not want to miss. it is a crazy story we've been talking about for the past two weeks. john mcafee will be joining us live on camera at 8:40 a.m. eastern. we're going to get the latest chapter in this mystery that has murder, mayhem and suspension. his life is the movie of the week, if you will, and we will have it live right here at 8:40. please, do not miss that. let's get you caught up on some of the other headlines this morning. house speaker john boehner and president obama met for the second time this week. both parties are trying to avoid the fiscal cliff. the men had a frank discussion and the lines of communication remain open, although no specific details were released. the meeting came after frustration in washington. this was house speaker boehner earlier in the day. >> republicans want
quick along with joe kernen and andrew ross sorkin. let's take a look at our lineup today. first off, bob doll will be giving us his lineup for stocks. that's coming up at 7:00 a.m. eastern time. at 8:00 eastern, a cnbc exclusive. david tepper, one of the world's top performing hedge fund managers will join us to give us some of his wisdom in a kaerc t can't-miss interview. a lot to talk about with him. in the meantime, why don't we get to some of today's top stories. we could see some movement in the fiscal cliff negotiations. house speaker boehner offering to raise the top tax rates on those making over $1 million a year as well as other measures amounting to $1 trillion in new revenue. that's in exchange for an equal amount in spending cuts. the white house has not yet accepted the proposal. >>> also, apple says it has sold more than 2 million in iphone 5s in china just over the last three days. that's the best ever debut for the iphone line in china. apple is china's second biggest market, although it did lose a lot of market share while they were waiting for that i5 to come out
ross sorkin. our guest host this hour is julia sed. fiscal cliff negotiations, our top story. now president obama is proposing leaving lower tax rates in place for everyone except those earning $400,000 and above. that's above the $250,000 threshold that the president has been demanding for months, but it is still far from speaker john boehner's request of $1 million. a source familiar with the talk says this is by no means the final offer for the white house. the move by the president was welcomed, albeit with some reservations. we will talk about the latest developments in just a few minutes. in the meantime, the global markets seem to be taking note of the optimism. you can see right now that those dow futures are up by 54 points. this comes after a decent rally for the markets yesterday. s&p futures at this point are up by better than seven points and the nasdaq futures up, as well, by about 17. european shares rising. germany is up, the ftse is up, the france, the cac in france has turned slightly down. but, again, this is a marginal loss of about three points. most of the ma
on cnbc. i'm andrew ross sorkin along with joe kernen. becky quick is off today. our best host this hour, alexander ladenthal. we have a lot to cover with her this morning. here we are, christmas eve. it's a shortened trading session for christmas eve. u.s. equity markets will close at 1:00 p.m. eastern time. bond currency and commodity trading they're going to end early. in japan, indonesia, the philippines, they were all closed in europe. only the uk, french, dutch and spanish stock markets are open and they're going to be closing early. there are now only five trading sessions left in 2012. get your act together. stocks and bonds, solid gains so far this year. the dow has advanced 8% in total. the s&p 500 up almost 14%. the nasdaq has jumped 16%. it's been a good year. the end of the year also means we are just days away from the fiscal cliff, however, and that's the bad news. and looming tax hikes, spending cuts, all of that. both sides warning a very big deal becoming a bit more unlikely. >> and my one bit of advice to speaker boehner is this. you cannot pass a bill with just republ
like we're living a bit on the edge of the fiscal cliff, at least. i'm andrew ross sorkin along with joe kernen and becky quick is off today. our guest host this hour, ed kehone. he's the management associate portfolio manager and we are thrilled to have ed aboard for -- i think you'll be here for longer than an hour. you'll be here for the whole broadcast. >> as long as you need me. >> you're like -- how long were you at -- you were at prudential. >> it's owned by prudential, so i've been at peru don'tal for almost 15 years now. >> widely quoted. you know who has made a comeback is ralph -- >> akampora. >> i've seen him around. do you remember his nickname? >> i don't. >> whatever you think of him, he's a great guy. >> he's a good guy. >> ed is going to try to make us slightly -- >> be a little sensitive. let's get you some some of the morning headlines. the biggest one being president obama planning to meet with congressional leaders at 3:00 p.m. eastern time today in a last ditch effort to avoid the fiscal cliff. the house majority leader eric cantor is now telling members to
" begins right now. >> welcome to "squawk box." i'm becky quick along with joe kernen. andrew ross sorkin is on vacation this week. onset with us is drew mattis. welcome. thanks for getting up early. >> i'm always up at this time. >> we'll be going through secretary geithner's comments, but first let's get you up to speed on other stories. joe was talking about apple. it has been a rough ten weeks for the most valuable u.s. company. shares tumbling more than 6% yesterday shedding $35 billion of market value. among the reasons cited by analysts, a forecast by an influential research firm suggesting that the iphone and ipad maker is continuing to give up ground it rival the android gadgets. there were also unconfirmed reports that at least one major stock clearing house was raising margin requirements. and then there's the fiscal cliff. analysts citing fears about a hike in capital gains tax in 2013. rick santelli has been talking about this, though, the things that were up in 2012, those are the things being sold now, whether that be gold or any number of assets that rose appreciably over
kernen. andrew ross sorkin is off. we have two well-known market voices joining us. barry knapp and richard bernstein. we have a lot to talk about. thanks for coming in. we'll start things off in just a moment. we do want to begin with the markets and that looming fiscal cliff. the dow finishing november lower for the second consecutive month. the blue chips falling half a percent in november. and #% sinnasdaq and s&p did fi higher last month. six out of ten sectors managed to post a gain. consumer discretionary stocks up the most. utilities the biggest losers. and while individual trading sessions may have been choppy, it was another month of low volatility. the vix remained below 20 for the fourth consecutive month and that's the longest streak since february of 2007. a big part of the market story has obviously been a big topic dominating the sunday talk shows. tim geithner arguing republicans need make the next move in negotiations. >> republicans have said that they don't like those reforms or they would like to do more. and if that's true, then they should tell us what the
. welcome to "squawk box" here on cnbc. i'm becky quick along with joe kernen. andrew ross sorkin is out today. he'll be back tomorrow. president obama and speaker boehner are not commenting about their meeting yesterday, but me members of the parties are continuing the public debate about taxes, spending and the fiscal cliff. republicans want a melt on xwiemtment and tax reform from the president. democrats insist this will not happen until the gop agrees on a tax hike. senator dick durbin saying no deal on the debt without a tax hike of the wealthy. >> i can't tell you, i don't want to do it, the president doesn't want to do it, but we need to solve the problem been we cannot allow the reckless position to drive this economy into another recession. >> some suggesting that it might be better to cave to the president now on taxes and keep up the fight on spending. >> if we were to pass, for instance, raising the top two rate and that's it, all of a sudden we do have the leverage of the debt ceiling and we haven't given that up. >> meantime, one influential voice says enough is enough. >>
's probably wrong. >> poor ross. >>> all right. power players coming up. >> no 13th month? >> in the world of investing. carlisle's david rubenstein, steve shoresman blackstone, venture capital's marc andreesson, and jamie dimon. look at that -- >> in addition we have jerry webb. make us all -- the rest of us feel -- >> we have one -- >> you're an economist or something? you play on to have -- you can think about the 12-12-12 thing in the meantime because you're good at math. >> yeah. all that stuff. >> all right. >>> as we move closer to the edge of the fiscal cliff, every move is being magnified by the markets. president obama and house speaker john boehner spoke by phone on tuesday, exchanging new proposals. the president gave boehner a revised offer on monday, reducing his demand for new tax revenue from $1.6 trillion to $1.4 trillion over ten years. boehner responded with a plan that largely sticks to his original offer a week ago. reports say the white house has told republicans it would include an overhaul of corporate taxes in any budget deal. that hasn't been done before. in an ex
on the street" countdown to christmas continues. ho, ho, ho. ♪ >> andrew ross sorkin is bringing lloyd blankfein on stage. let's take a look. here's goldman sachs ceo lloyd blankfein. >> a number of people have touched on the fiscal cliff, and i wanted to start with that, but in a different way with you this morning, in that you have been active in washington over the past couple of weeks and all this. you've been on the phone with the white house. i've read reports that you were on the phone with the white house earlier this week. just if you could, take us behind the scenes. what goes on on these conference calls with the business community? sort of what do you see actually happening right now? >> i don't want to oversell this. i was on a couple of conference calls that the white house had with myself and other people who participated in meetings at the white house. i think the white house is trying to -- and frankly, they're doing a good job of marketing their position on this and being -- and trying to be open and transparent, responding to questions. not every question that we ask. not ever
and welcome back to south carolina here on cnbc. i'm andrew ross sorkin along with joe kernen. becky is off today. dino kosof, he's going to have a lot to talk about when it comes to what mr. bernanke just said. later in the program, we'll talk to pimco's kneneal ashkari. >>> a surprise from ben bernanke, linking unemployment to monetary policy. rates will be staying where they are right now, which is close to zero, of course. until at the very least the jobless rate falls to 6.5%. we can only cross our fingers wherefore when that might be. ben bernanke says these changes will make the central bank more transparent adding they can only help the markets. the central bank ramped up its asset purchase program adding $40 billion to its $40 billion a month purchases of mortgage-backed bonds. he spoke about the objectives during wednesday's news conference. >> the asset purchases and the rate increases have different objectives. the asset purchases are about creating near term momentum in the economy, trying to strengthen growth and job creation in the near term. and the increases in the federal
on cnbc. i'm becky quick along with joe kernen and andrew ross sorkin. andrew, welcome back. i hope you're feeling better. >> thank you. i had a little bit of a stomach bug. >> we're all a little sick around the table here. >> i know. it's a little -- i feel like weak, you know when your bones feel a little something? you had that, joe, two weeks ago, right? >> exactly what you had. you didn't -- you remember -- i remember bridesmaids, right? i'm not sure what all that came out of. i had both going. you didn't have both going? you are the just -- you were hurling. >> i was, i was. in the middle of the night. i had to send an e-mail to the producers. >> it's very weird. it's not even a 24-hour thing. >> no, i will say it was going by when the show was still going on. >> we have a pro gun advocate on. >> you didn't throw up when -- okay. >> by the way, a viewer has offered to take me shooting in new jersey at a shooting club. >> i saw a lot of stuff. >> i'm taking him up on it. but we have news to get him up to. >> some people hold that second amendment thing, they actually think it means
and andrew ross sorkin. we are one step closer to the cliff and still no deal. you could say we've taken a huge step backwards at this point. we will be joined to talk about why plan b, that bill didn't make it to the house and what the next step is. coming at 6:40 eastern time, red hat has been red hot. that company reporting quarterly results and we have the ceo. at 7:00 a.m. eastern time, we will welcome our guest host, roger altman and barry knapp. we have thorsten heins joining us, as well. >> our big story of the morning, it could be a tense days for the markets as the resolution to the physical cliff appears less likely. we can see the futures opening at least 150 off if things keep up the way they are. house speaker john boehner failing to mount enough support for his plan b that would raise taxes only on families earning more than $1 million. the president vowing he will press ahead with congress to get a deal done. >> he wasn't going to do it, anyway. what does he mean it will press ahead? >> i don't know. >> because it wasn't going to go to the senate. >> but to me, the demons
to "squawk box" on cnbc. i'm joe kernen, along with andrew ross sorkin. becky quick is off today. is this evans hour? "youngblood?" >> i don't know this song. ♪ >> futures are higher not as much as before. 17 points or so. being up at all with the fiscal cliff really looking like we're -- why wouldn't we head over. you go back to 39.6 on anybody 250 and above and ride in and lower taxes and be a hero. see republicans vote against that. >>> pre-christmas shopping rush wasn't much of a rush at all, at least not the type economists were expecting. a mastercard spending poll reports holiday sales were up .7 of a percent a year ago well below expectations. and we'll get a fresh read also on home prices when the monthly ca case-shiller report comes out at 9:00 eastern and congress thinks it will show 3.7% in prices for october from a year earlier, continued improvement. and netflix customers were hit by a partial holiday outage, some unable to access the service from clrm eve through thursday morning. they should have been spending time with the family around the hearth. >> a lot of
and steve liesman who is in for andrew ross sork been. the futures are weaker this morning. the dow futures only down 15 points right now so they've shown some improvement. s&p futures down 1 1/2 points. investors focused on the november jobs report which is out 90 minutes from now. the dow jones forecast is calling for 80,000 new nonfarm jobs for november with the unemployment rate remaining at 7.9%. reuters is expecting 93,000 jobs. >>> there's no deal to resolve the fiscal cliff but there are indications of inside-the-scenes talk. the white house told reporters that lines of communication remain open not sure exactly what that means but a spokesman for house speaker john boehner used a similar phrase. maybe that means call me? i don't know. analysts say there are some suggestions that there's real progress that can be made. >>> a 7.3 magnitude earthquake hit the northeastern coast of japan this morning, the same area as the devastating march 2011 quake. but there was a tsunami warning canceled and reports of injuries or damage even though the quake shook buildings. workers at the fukushi
with jeff henserling of texas. right now, let's bring in our coworkers, joe kernen and andrew ross sorkin. thank you. good to see you. >> good to see you, too. >> it wag something to see when we -- well, i'm not going to go into it. but we hugged it out. >> a big bro man. >> the only thing is, you weren't here, which made it bittersweet. >> we'll have her back tomorrow. >> we will. >> we'll see you tomorrow. we hope you had a good trip down on the amtrak. >> i did. >> hopefully you had the bison chili. >> no. there was no bison chili this time. it was steak or a shrimp pasta or -- >> really? >> yeah. >> i've had the shrimp pasta. >> i had the salad. >> i won't eat bison anywhere but on the amtrak. >> sound policy. >> we'll have more from becky and jim cramer will join her in d.c. for now, let's get up on the morning's top stories. the fed is hold ago two-day meeting in washington and a news conference by bernanke is set for tomorrow afternoon. operation twist expires at the end of this month. the central bank is expected to maintain its purchase of bonds with longer maturities. and we'll
" begins right now. >>> good morning, everyone. welcome to "squawk box" on nbc is. andrew ross sorkin is out today. we hope he's feeling better soon. >>> as we've been talk being the fiscal cliff this week, president obama and speaker boehner appear to be inching toward a deal. last night republicans announced plan b in case talks fail. they'll be moving to pass their own tax bill as a backup plan to avert the tax hikes. and the automatic budget cuts set to happen next month. it would extend low tax rates except on those with incomes of $1 million and above. president obama's latest position puts that threshold at $400,000. >> at this point, having a backup plan to make sure that as few american taxpayers are affected by this increase as possible. >> now no one expects that the gop bill will pass the democratic-controlled senate. in fact, harry reid said forget it, they're not going to be passing any of these things. but this is another option out this. and it does change the dynamics in terms of who's going to be blamed for raising taxes. we'll see how this plays out. >>> among our g
'm going to lose if i raise taxes. >> it's happened before. >> i also remember ross perot got 22% of the vote that time. >> you're saying that the threat to pull the plug on any representative who took the pledge is far greater than any desire to rise above. >> they like being members of congress. there's no doubt about that. >> they do, don't they. >> yes, they do. >> don't mention pumps. . >> when we come back this morning, a new report finds that exporting nat gas will actually help the u.s. economy, but not every day is a winner. >>> vice chairman alan blinder will tell us what he thinks. >>> a new study from the federal government shows exporting u.s. natural gas overseas has the potential to reshape the global energy markets. the obama administration has said the study will be central to the decision on whether to export. he said exporting the gas would be a bigger impact on the economy. >> slap in the face of dow chemical. of coke, not coke the beverage company. but this was something that was hotly disputed within the romney campaign. he really let this stuff go because t
're avoiding, the big one, are the entitlements and the spending. now ross lynn carter -- and this is so ironic, because in many ways president carter was probably one of the most dysfunctional presidents, or at least didn't have the efficacy to ever put together a record that was to be proud. but the first lady had one of my all-time favorite quotes and i've used it before. we're going to show it on the screen. a leader takes people where they want to go. a great leader takes people where they don't necessarily want to go, but ought to be. so let's go over this one more time. today we had senator warner on. and you know what, i really liked a couple things he said. because what he said was, is think outside the box. see, we need to get away from the blame game, get away from the red herring. he says, well, start a debt reduction sinking fund. i haven't heard that idea. there are many ideas, but the point is, is that the president has a legacy to protect. okay? many people, including, you know -- we had jim bianco on last week and were talking about where the leverage is, and it's unfortunate,
a great holiday. ross, they're the number two off price retailer. that's been a really good name. i think the momentum continues with that company as well. so it's just mixed across my group. you just have -- there are some winners and there are some losers. there's not a lot of consistency. i cover value retailers. you would have thought this would have been a value focused holiday season. even within the discount store space the traffic was pretty subdued. >> that's interesting. howard is the big story in the next week or two going to be how painful clear -- the process of clearing out inventory is and how deep the discounts go? >> yeah. i'm not sure that it's going to be all that painful, right? i mean, it seems like we're finally getting winter weather conditions which is going to help with boots and coats. last year the weather was very easy. we have that to look forward to. last year was a very, very difficult holiday season fourth quarter. this year going into the holiday season, inventories were much leaner so there's less probably this year versus last year to get through. so des
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